[Mr. Sucky]

ChildsPlay has taken the initiative to plan out the next knife (KA) tournament. He'll have the support of Adult Swim, Rifle, elusive, among others. I'll also be helping them along the way. This is a topic for them and the rest of the c4a community to plan out everything they need for a successful tournament.


This will be the first KA tournament since after a year, so they are open to suggestions.

If anyone else would like to get involved in helping to run this tournament, either contact myself or ChildsPlay via PM/Steam.

Thanks,

~ Mr. Sucky

[IanelarAzure]

Hey Childsplay, whats your real name? I know I know you.

You guys doing low grav or norm?

[^ChildsPlay]

I just came up with these real quick, so feel free to suggest any changes or additions.

Rules -

- The tournament will be 4v4 knife only
- First to 20 wins the match, but you have to win by 2
- Each team should have at least 1-2 backups just in case
- If a teammate leaves during a match, they have 5 minutes to return before the match resumes without them
- A slash in ka_knife will automatically result in the round being lost for your team

Maps -

- ka_knife
- ka_scoutzknives
- ka_dustbox2
- ka_aztec

Server Configs -

- sv_airaccelerate 100
- sv_gravity 225 (I think) in ka_scoutzknives
- Cvar checker enabled

Player Configs - (anything else would be illegal)

- ex_interp 0.1 or 0.01
- cl_lc 1
- cl_cmdrate 100
- cl_updaterate 100
- developer 0

We still need to decide on the date to have the tournament. Last year it was on Feb 28th. Does Spring Break in March sound reasonable? I think that could help with the turn out, plus it's about a month and a half away, so we'd have enough time to organize and promote everything.

And should it be double elimination or what?

If anyone could make graphics for the future steam group and a website banner, that'd be great. We just need to figure out the details of the tournament first.

Also, we could use all the help we can get promoting this tournament. It will take a lot for it to be successful. Like Sucky said, just add me on steam or PM me and we can discuss. http://steamcommunity.com/id/pker

To IanelarAzure, I used to go by PkER and I've been playing in c4a servers for about 5 years now.

This post has been edited by ChildsPlay: 05 February 2010 - 01:51 PM

[IanelarAzure]

Ah, yeah I know you.

Looks good, hope to see Lh around.

[SkiDDeM]

cl_updaterate 101 = ex_interp 0.009
cl_updaterate 100 = ex_interp 0.01 FWIW

i might get in this even though i suck at knifing , may i ask why there's no slashing in ka_knife?

[dAVid]

Pker was a noob at neojenova. Jk. I'm gnna make a crazy ass team. Good luck guys!

[^ChildsPlay]

S K I D D E M, on 05 February 2010 - 08:14 AM, said:

cl_updaterate 101 = ex_interp 0.009
cl_updaterate 100 = ex_interp 0.01 FWIW

i might get in this even though i suck at knifing , may i ask why there's no slashing in ka_knife?

You should! It'll be fun either way and ganging can go a long way.

It's a well known rule in the knifing community that any scrim on ka_knife can't have any slashing. Even if it's just a pub people will still get angry if you slash on that map.

dAVid, on 05 February 2010 - 01:54 PM, said:

Pker was a noob at neojenova. Jk. I'm gnna make a crazy ass team. Good luck guys!

You're right, you did own me at scoutzknives, haha. Glad to hear you're getting a team together, dAVid.

So for the date of the tournament I'm thinking during Spring Break in March so Sunday the 28th? Does that sound good to everyone?

This post has been edited by ChildsPlay: 05 February 2010 - 11:11 AM

[^Adult Swim]

the gravity for ka_Scoutzknives: sv_gravity 250

Rules -

- The tournament will be 4v4 knife only

- 15 round halves, first team to 16 rounds. It would take WAAAAYYYY too long for games of (4v4) teams going to 20 on each map.

- Each team should have at least 1-2 backups just in case
- If a teammate leaves during a match, they have 5 minutes to return before the match resumes without them
- A slash in ka_knife will automatically result in the round being lost for your team (Force everyone to unbind mouse1)

-Maps with bomb: Bomb timer set to 45 seconds

Maps -
Order in round of advancement
- ka_knife (1st round)

- ka_dustbox2 (2nd round)

- ka_aztec (3rd round)

- ka_scoutzknives (finals)

Server Configs -

- sv_airaccelerate 100
- sv_gravity 250 (I know) in ka_scoutzknives
- Cvar checker enabled

Player Configs - (anything else would be illegal)

- ex_interp 0.1 or 0.01
- cl_lc 1
- cl_cmdrate 100
- cl_updaterate 100
- developer 0

My suggestions, but I feel this will keep the tourney short enough for multiple teams to compete.

This post has been edited by ^Adult Swim: 05 February 2010 - 02:48 PM

[^ChildsPlay]

^Adult Swim, on 05 February 2010 - 06:41 PM, said:

Rules -

- The tournament will be 4v4 knife only

- 15 round halves, first team to 16 rounds. It would take WAAAAYYYY too long for games of (4v4) teams going to 20 on each map.

- Each team should have at least 1-2 backups just in case
- If a teammate leaves during a match, they have 5 minutes to return before the match resumes without them
- A slash in ka_knife will automatically result in the round being lost for your team (Force everyone to unbind mouse1)

-Maps with bomb: Bomb timer set to 45 seconds

I agree with all your suggestions, except I'm not sure people would like not having the ability to slash since some people use it to "fake stab" but I think it should be recommended nontheless.

Also, another rule I think we should add is no sprays. Some people lose fps when a map gets covered in sprays and it can also be distracting.

Other than that, everything looks good to me.

This post has been edited by ^ChildsPlay: 05 February 2010 - 03:00 PM

[^Adult Swim]

Well losing a round for a Slash is very harsh and it also leaves room for someone losing a close game because they accidentally slash someone else. Not everyone fate stabs, and if they do I'm sure they can find another style to suit this tourney. Also its just one map that we are asking for no slashing(ka_knife).

This post has been edited by ^Adult Swim: 05 February 2010 - 03:02 PM

[^ChildsPlay]

^Adult Swim, on 05 February 2010 - 07:01 PM, said:

Well losing a round for a Slash is very harsh and it also leaves room for someone losing a close game because they accidentally slash someone else. Not everyone fate stabs, and if they do I'm sure they can find another style to suit this tourney. Also its just one map that we are asking for no slashing(ka_knife).

Hmm true, I guess they can just deal with not being able to fake stab then. Unbind mouse1 in ka_knife and no sprays are allowed, so unbind t or whatever your spray key is set to.

The number of teams will be 8-12 and the tournament will be single elimination. Each match should take 10-15 minutes.

The tournament will take place on Sunday March 28th - This may change.

This post has been edited by ^ChildsPlay: 05 February 2010 - 05:13 PM

[dAVid]

I agree wiht the no sprays. People can really get fucked over. Same with the unbinding of the slash. And is ka_aztec, ka_aztec-lh? If not i've never played it :x

[IanelarAzure]

dAVid, on 06 February 2010 - 01:41 PM, said:

I agree wiht the no sprays. People can really get fucked over. Same with the unbinding of the slash. And is ka_aztec, ka_aztec-lh? If not i've never played it :x

Same map, minor differences. Rain removed, etc.

[^Adult Swim]

Let me see if I got things correct:

Tournament will start March* 28. The servers that will be used for the Tournament will be The Cause4Alarm Knife Arena and Cause4Alarm Fun Maps or SKWA. Each server will need to have CVAR checker and the following maps: ka_knife, ka_dustbox2, ka_aztec, and ka_scoutzknivez.

The will be 8-12 slots for teams available. Teams need 1-2 backups.

Team Name: Cause4Alarm
Tag: [c4a]
Leader: Purple Haze - STEAMID:XXXXXXX
Yellow Haze - STEAMID:XXXXXXX
Green Haze - STEAMID:XXXXXXX
Black Haze - STEAMID:XXXXXXX

Backup: Clear Haze - STEAMID:XXXXXXX

The Leader will be responsible for informing his team of the dates of their matches and also keeping in contact with the directors of this tourney.



There will be two dedicated admins, one in each server running the matches. Only teams (including backups) that are competing in a match together will be allowed in the server, no extra spectators. If a player drops, he has 5 minutes to get back. If a backup player is available, he/she will be forced to replace the dropped player. When or if the dropped player comes back, he/she must wait in spectator and not substitute back in.

The matches will be organized in 15 round halves per side, first team to 16 wins. That means each match will be played to a combined score of 15 before switching sides. i.e. First half 10-5, second half 6-2. Game ends: 16-7 [ First to 16 ]

This Tournament is single elimination.

This post has been edited by ^Adult Swim: 09 February 2010 - 01:26 PM

[^ChildsPlay]

The tournament will be March 27th and 28th, not February. I'm not sure if we really need to have it on two seperate days either. If I had to pick one day to have the whole thing on, I'd pick Sunday the 28th.

Also, I think the rounds should take place in this order instead:

First round: ka_knife (ground knifing)
Second round: ka_scoutzknives (bhop + strafing)
Third round: ka_aztec (ground + bhop)
Fourth round: ka_dustbox2 (all 3 aspects)

That just seems more fair to me.

This post has been edited by ^ChildsPlay: 06 February 2010 - 09:38 PM

[Mr. Sucky]

From what Childs and I discussed, the tournament will be on Sunday, March 28th. You'll want to run it on only one day because you'll have a hard time getting the same people to show up consistently over for 2 days. Actually, you'll probably notice that no matter how many times you remind people, many team players won't show up on tournament day. It's good to *require* teams to have 1 or 2 backups.

You'll have the c4a knife server and we'll provide a 2nd tournament server (duplicate copy of our current server). CVAR checker will need to be added to the servers. The maps ka_knife, ka_dustbox2, ka_aztec, and ka_scoutzknivez are already on our server, so those should be available for you guys.

Overall the rules look good, but this rule "A slash in ka_knife will automatically result in the round being lost for your team (Force everyone to unbind mouse1)" will be tough to enforce. I guess the referees on each server will have to force everyone before the match starts to unbind it... unless someone knows of the better way to restrict slash/mouse 1 (attack 1).


I believe sv_airaccelerate 100 is default on the server right now. But Childs mentioned to me that we will have turn to set amx_ka 0. The referees will have to remember to change sv_gravity 250 in ka_scoutzknives.


Other than that, everything else looks good to me. We really appreciate ChildsPlay & ^AdultSwim taking an initiative on this. The toughest part will be getting people registered to play, so make sure you give yourself plenty of time for signups and have others help you promote (rifle, elusive, etc).

Great work so far,

~ Mr. Sucky

[IanelarAzure]

Mr. Sucky, on 07 February 2010 - 01:51 AM, said:

Overall the rules look good, but this rule "A slash in ka_knife will automatically result in the round being lost for your team (Force everyone to unbind mouse1)" will be tough to enforce. I guess the referees on each server will have to force everyone before the match starts to unbind it... unless someone knows of the better way to restrict slash/mouse 1 (attack 1).

It wont be that hard, its a pretty well known rule in the knifing community and the other team will be expected to bitch if someone slashes. We should also allow fairness if someone does it accidentally, the other team has the right to allow it if they want.

Mr. Sucky, on 07 February 2010 - 01:51 AM, said:

I believe sv_airaccelerate 100 is default on the server right now. But Childs mentioned to me that we will have turn to set amx_ka 0. The referees will have to remember to change sv_gravity 250 in ka_scoutzknives.

Why would we turn knife arena off? Wouldnt that be the opposite of what we want?

Adult, isnt the grav preset on the map ka_scoutzknivez?

[Mr. Sucky]

IanelarAzure, on 07 February 2010 - 08:48 AM, said:

Mr. Sucky, on 07 February 2010 - 01:51 AM, said:

I believe sv_airaccelerate 100 is default on the server right now. But Childs mentioned to me that we will have turn to set amx_ka 0. The referees will have to remember to change sv_gravity 250 in ka_scoutzknives.

Why would we turn knife arena off? Wouldnt that be the opposite of what we want?

You can't plant bombs with knife arena on (amx_ka 1), so we have to disable it (amx_ka 0)

~ Mr. Sucky

[^elusive]

I like 101 updaterate personally, but it doesnt really matter. The whole slashing deal, do we have amx_execclient? we could manually disable it on our own. Other then that, i think everything looks good

[^ChildsPlay]

^elusive, on 07 February 2010 - 05:46 PM, said:

I like 101 updaterate personally, but it doesnt really matter. The whole slashing deal, do we have amx_execclient? we could manually disable it on our own. Other then that, i think everything looks good

I'm not sure how the Cvar checker works, but I don't see a problem with allowing both 100 and 101. The whole point was to make sure people don't have their rates at the default low, since that tends to make them look choppy which can be unfair for the other players.