[cheets]

I was playing in the iceworld server yesterday when I saw some dude run behind that flap in spawn. Naturally, i just continued to shoot as he went behind the wall and killed him. He got mad and spammed NO WHITEWALLING via amx_csay commands (apparently an admin). Considering I didn't really mean to "whitewall" him, I just shrugged it off, but it got me to thinking. What is whitewalling?

To those of you who think whitewalling is simply spamming the white walls, you're wrong. Whitewalling is spamming the HUGE WHITE BRICKS for free kills; after all, they're not shooting at you! A calculated spam when I think someone is camping in a gay spot is different. Think about it, all the walls are white, if you turned around to spam the back of your spawn no one is going to care, let alone insist you don't spam that white wall, even though it's still against the rules.

My suggestion is to not allow whitewall spamming, but to allow the spam of that stupid flap in spawn. No one wants to be gayed. It's laming to camp behind that flap, knowing that no one can spam it to kill you. It's camping at its worst. Why do you think brownwall spamming is universally allowed? To allow you to spam little faggots camping in the corner of a brown-wall.

I consider that flap a brown wall via the transitive property. If you're camping spawn behind that flap, you don't deserve the safety the "no whitewalling" rule currently brings, just like the people who camp behind brown walls don't have that safety. It's not like I'm sitting in my spawn spamming the HUGE WHITE BRICK for free kills either...

whitewalling is gay.
running up spawn killing people in their spawn who are camping behind a flap, is not.

discuss.

This post has been edited by cheets: 16 June 2009 - 09:40 AM

[Mr. Sucky]

Hey Mr. Cheets,

Do you think you could possible provide some screenshots/pictures of this white "flap" that you speak of? I believe I know what you are referring to, the white piece that comes out to seperate two sides of a team at spawn.

Anyway, I don't know if this thread is a "suggestion," but rather you informing the admins and our community that it's not whitewalling if you get shot behind the white "flap" at spawn.

I personally only warn players to not whitewall if they shoot continously/randomly at the 4 large white blocks toward the center of the map.

~ Mr. Sucky

This post has been edited by Mr. Sucky: 16 June 2009 - 10:20 AM

[compton]

Always thought shooting through walls was a part of the game. I hate watching someone run behind a wall and i have to refrain from shooting them. Yet nades are allowed.

[w00t86]

i allow people to shoot that flap youre talking about. i never allow people to shoot the white 4 blocks though. i also don't allow people to use the word faggot

[ward]

I agree with cheets, and there have been times when I pre-fire around corners or shoot at corners of white walls when I know someone is there, but whitewalling to me is when someone sits at a big brick and just sprays aimlessly just trying to get free kills or dmg.

Quick side not, it was a good idea to shrug it off, try and avoid getting into confrontations about rules with admins even if you know you are right and he is wrong. Try telling him privately if he is wrong.

This post has been edited by Sighlow: 16 June 2009 - 10:13 AM

[pandas gotta gun & a blunt]

No Spamming: This includes spamming any white wall at any time throughout the round. Prefire is allowed, but obvious white walling or blind firing is a punishable offense.

this is the rule as stated now^. im the admin your referring to and now that the thread has been made ive thought about it and if compton is right about that flap of whitewall as he calls it i think the rule should be modified.

[Blimmp.]

I usually warn for White-Walling, when a player just randomly shoots at one of the four big bricks to get kills or damage. I think it's only directed at the four big bricks too. Usually if I know someone is behind that flap, I just fire away.

[cheets]

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Do you think you could possible provide some screenshots/pictures of this white "flap" that you speak of? I believe I know what you are referring to, the white piece that comes out to seperate two sides of a team at spawn.

Yes that's what I'm talking about. It's a protruding white flappy thing in each spawn.

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this is the rule as stated now^. im the admin your referring to and now that the thread has been made ive thought about it and if compton is right about that flap of whitewall as he calls it i think the rule should be modified.

omg panda agreed with me without arguing in circles for hours about common sense? this is truly a remarkable day . I also think the rule should be modified.

[pandas gotta gun & a blunt]

Sighlow, on Jun 16 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

I agree with cheets, and there have been times when I pre-fire around corners or shoot at corners of white walls when I know someone is there, but whitewalling to me is when someone sits at a big brick and just sprays aimlessly just trying to get free kills or dmg.

Quick side not, it was a good idea to shrug it off, try and avoid getting into confrontations about rules with admins even if you know you are right and he is wrong. Try telling him privately if he is wrong.

Blimmp., on Jun 16 2009, 01:52 PM, said:

I usually warn for White-Walling, when a player just randomly shoots at one of the four big bricks to get kills or damage. I think it's only directed at the four big bricks too. Usually if I know someone is behind that flap, I just fire away.

so its just been assumed by many that its only directed at the four big bricks even though it says ANY white wall. regardless of "knowing" if someone is behind the flap or not it is still blind firing because you cant see them. and ive heard from several admin that say that firing at corners of whitewalls is not allowed and i agree with them.

cheets, on Jun 16 2009, 01:54 PM, said:

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Do you think you could possible provide some screenshots/pictures of this white "flap" that you speak of? I believe I know what you are referring to, the white piece that comes out to seperate two sides of a team at spawn.

Yes that's what I'm talking about. It's a protruding white flappy thing in each spawn.

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this is the rule as stated now^. im the admin your referring to and now that the thread has been made ive thought about it and if compton is right about that flap of whitewall as he calls it i think the rule should be modified.

omg panda agreed with me without arguing in circles for hours about common sense? this is truly a remarkable day . I also think the rule should be modified.

while i think the rule should be modified i think your wrong about shooting the flap. if the rule is changed one way or the other however i will support it either way it goes. but i think the rule as it stands now should be clearer about shooting corners of white walls and the flap white wall because apparently there are many people that have differing opinions including our admin.

[BooMTanG]

Whitewalling is shooting at high traffic/spawn spots through one of the four bricks. Nothing else.

[FaZ-]

I think the rule is worded poorly, even though I'm pretty sure I'm the one that wrote it.

"Spamming" the whitewalls if you know someone's there doesn't bother me. To me, this means if you're firing, you should be hitting someone. If you hear someone in a 90 degree arc and decide to blast away, that's still whitewalling to me. (No, I don't count "I know he spawned there so I know I'll hit him.")

So yes, it's mainly about at spawns, but there are other times when blind firing is punishable.

[Kapps]

Chances are good that he didn't know where you were shooting him from. It would have been just as easy for him to believe you were spraying through the wall from the other spawn, as it would to be spraying through the flap (assuming there was a lot of noise going on). You wouldn't get banned for it in this situation anyways, as the admin would have specced you and saw you weren't doing it.

[pandas gotta gun & a blunt]

FaZ-, on Jun 16 2009, 02:41 PM, said:

I think the rule is worded poorly, even though I'm pretty sure I'm the one that wrote it.

"Spamming" the whitewalls if you know someone's there doesn't bother me. To me, this means if you're firing, you should be hitting someone. If you hear someone in a 90 degree arc and decide to blast away, that's still whitewalling to me. (No, I don't count "I know he spawned there so I know I'll hit him.")

So yes, it's mainly about at spawns, but there are other times when blind firing is punishable.

so theres no qualms from the writer of the rule to reword it?

now would be an opportune time to clarify when and where blind firing is punishable before its reworded by the way.

[fraggot]

I typically only warn people about it by shooting the ones at spawn and then come around the brown wall on the right or left and shooting through those white pillars too.

Other then that, it's fair game, but I still try and make sure people just try and stay away from randomly spraying any walls to prevent from being banned at all.

[Gibbs]

Is it going to be changed or no?

[cheets]

faz-, perhaps you could bring this to the attention of some of the other directors for discussion?

[getbigtony]

has anyone thought about using the no-wall mod? though that would disable even the brown walls
one of the servers i used to play on uses that mod and bullets won't go through any wall at all

[fraggot]

They don't want people to completely be unable to shoot through walls.

[so0ky]

I'm not a mapper, but is there any way to distinguish the brown walls from the white walls?

That way it would be possible to make white walling null and void. If this is not the case....


Why are you guys not willing to take spamming out completely? You guys can't have it all, unless you are content with constantly dealing with every situation on a per situational basis. That is the only way you will be able to keep spammable walls and not allow white walls. But we all know you guys are not able to enforce every white waller. This mapping change could make administering the server much easier (making walls unspammable), and I think it would be very minimal if it were to effect gameplay.

[SCARFACE]

white walling should only go as far as spamming spawn, spamming brown walls can be considered white walling, but because you can jump and see over them, its no longer blindfire


and once again... white walling is not in reference to the color of the walls, all the walls could be purple, it would still be called white walling... white walling = blindfire through a while, blindfire in this case meaning the only knowledge you have of a person being there is because that is where they spawn

whitewalling is a term for certain cheats for counter-strike that strip color from the walls and makes player entities visible through any walls, not for maps where there are white colored walls that for some reason make it incredibly easy to kill players through because they are made of marshmallows or something